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The Viral Vent
Published Thursday, April 16 2009 at 3:49pm by admin in General
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Well I hope you all had a nice Christmas!
I enjoyed being out of town for a short while. Way too short!
What shall we talk about? I know I should continue to inform you all of the history of the maffia.
Many years ago a part of the maffia had a group called CBS I believe it was. It stood maybe for such names as Clement, Boilsen, Stowell, & Stine, you know names that start with those letters. Think back when to who was doing what all those years ago. Some of those names may even be gone from this area now and then some are still here.
Just think about when Rolling Hills was built. Who decided where it would be built, who sold the land, who got the contracts etc. In other words who made out really well on a tax paid building project? Could it be basically the same ones that make out well at the present time? Remember the "need" we supposedly had for a new baseball field a short few years ago? Now who was going to reap the benefits of that? Where was that new field supposed to be? Who was going to sell their property? Who was it that went before the City Council
time after time after time trying to get that pushed through after it was voted down time after time. Some just can't accept no when they stand to gain big profits can they?
Also think back on West Ord Acres. Who was the builder of that area? Was he supposed to put down 6" of concrete that the home buyers out there paid for? Did the mayor at that time and the City Council vote to let the builder off the hook and allow him to put down a thin cheap layer of blacktop instead of the cement? Who came out financially well on that deal? I don't believe it was the home buyers out there.
Is this just more of the same good old boy scratch my back stuff? Is it right? Do you care?
It's time for people to put big time pressure on the supervisors to stop the shellout of $25 million for a new hospital, the entirety of which we were told would be paid by Medicare:
meltdown_hospitals.html
note the quote from the VP of consulting firm BearingPoint: "They'll get swallowed up by somebody else, if they need to exist, and if they don't, they'll just close..."
The false claims trumpeted by those here In The Know have been exposed:'Medicare won't touch Rural hospitals' they said in May, and now the consultant reports "Most endangered are rural hospitals..."
And last week a spokesman from the federal Office of Budget and Management was quoted by USA today that the only way to save Medicare is to cut payments to hospitals and doctors.
Sure, if nothing changes, in a year or so the Supervisors will all be considered total idiots. But where will that get the rest of us?
I was wondering what will become of the hospital we have now on the hill. Are the administators going to sell it to the owner of the first Ord Hospital on S. 16th so that he can fill it with more junk from all the houses they are tearing down in Ord @ surrounding communities. I am sure it would hold quite a bit more as he is running out of room in the one now.
I am sure the people that live in the area up on the hill wouldn't mind if he would start filling it up as he has the old one almost full. Soon they would have cats and rats and mice like the one in the downtown area. Concerned people down here by the old one sure would like to put a stop to it but I guess we don't have any say on what he can and can't do with the property since he probably keeps his taxes paid and the place cleaned up so good.
Who will dispose of all of the treasures he has stored in it if something was to happen to him? Most of the stuff he has in it should have been in the landfill when it was taken out of the houses. There is so much stuff being acquired in this place it would take a month of steady hauling to the landfill to dispose of it all. Anything from old appliances to shower stalls and roll after roll of insulation and carpet. You name it and he has it in there. If there was a fire there it would take out the quiz and probably every building that sits near it.
But the watchdogs of Ord just have to many other matters to do at bourd meetings then to bring an issue like this to the table. It is not important to them even though it is so close to the downtown area. It is a landmark of the city and should have been restored into something such as a museum or just taken over by the city to store stuff such as all the books they threw out of the courthouse. Those law books cost a lot of money in their day and can never be replaced.
Well, heres wishing everyone a Happy New Year, and may we all have a good 2009.
ocabala
"We got done.."
Who did the GI Independent quote as above the day after the bowl game?
Joe Ganz?
Bo?
Mr. Suh?
None of the above! It's our hospital administrator - stamping 'Hickville' over Valley county on the map, telling everyone that's how we all talk around heeyah....
Well, it only took the local jokesters five weeks to gear up a response to Ordian's November 26th posting - look above!...give credit to GI Independent writer Coddington for putting in his three subliminal messages - you know he didn't have to quote our CEO as saying "We got done..." and he didn't have to point out that Albion has their hospital paid off or include their quote that they sure would not want to be racking up debt in this economy. And he didn't have to point out that a real hospital like Hastings is forking out the same amount as our Valley County Supervisors are - problem is they have about 300 doctors and we have one (part timer)...
Too bad for Albion, and Hastings, and all those other small town people, we are so superior in Valley County, we know more than they do, we know the secret of spinning cotton into gold - Economic Development!!!
<blockquote cite="" >we know the secret of spinning cotton into gold - Economic Development!!!</blockquote>
Watch out for Rumplestiltskin! He will come to collect...
This is just to clarify the above in case some of you have not read the G.I. Independent. Here is an article dated Jan. 2, 2009.
It states that six area hospitals either started or finished multimillion dollar projects in 08. The largest was Mary Lanning at Hastings which spent $30 million. "Valley Co. Health System", by the way who decided that a name change was in order from Valley Co. Hospital? Was there a vote anywhere? Anyway, it has a 19.5 million 67,000 sq. ft new hospital. It says the project is being paid for through a 21.2 million bond issue approved by voters. Well now, are we finally telling the truth to the people that yes we are the ones to pay for the new hospital and not medicare or medicaid? It also states Schrage said that 9.8 million in bonds were sold in the fall with the remainder to be sold. Question, why would you start something when you don't even have the bonds all sold? Seems like there is a rush to get this on the go so it can't be stopped. In this same article it says that the Broken Bow hospital is working on a 39,000 sq. ft. expansion. Their CEO said they have been saving and that the 12 million dollars needed for this project is funded by the money they saved up for and will require no debt. Also the Albion hospital paid off the last $800,000 in bonds from its 2003 expansion. Their CEO Mr. Lee said "with the economy the way it is, I wouldn't want to be staring at a lot of debt right now." Yet here we are in Ord up to our neck in debt. The other bonds that are out their besides the one for the hospital make it an impossible task for a population center the size of Ord to pay off.
Thanks again to our wonderful maffia movers and shakers that feel they are superior in all areas of human existence lied and connived to get what they wanted. And yes there are many more examples of them making sure they make out well financially while the rest of the "dumb" people stand by and let them do and get by as they always have. Shame on everyone that says nothing and does nothing to stop them. Evil can only persist when good people do nothing.
Does anyone else see it as prophetic that they are digging a BIG HOLE?
Here's more good news about hospitals nationwide:
60% of surveyed hospitals have canceled or delayed construction plans -
hospital-emergency-visits-climb-because-recession.html
"Hospitals that address changing patient demands and shifting reimbursement cycles will be better positioned to mitigate the downturn."
"numberous hospitals have declared bankruptcy":
Meltdown-Hospitals-List.php
"In the past few months patients and insurers have been paying bills more slowly.":
6183026.html
Is Medicare an insurer? I guess it is. I wonder, do you think Medicare might be paying more slowly? Even here in Valley County? What happens to the $1.5 million per year from Medicare promised us by the hospital honchos if Medicare pays "more slowly"?
Fortunately, we have Mr. "WE GOT DONE" CEO leading the charge of the light brigade into the valley of death - while hospitals to the right and hospitals to the left are downsizing, is there a Valley County Citizen Afraid?
Theirs not to reason why...
Theirs but to PAY TAXES!!! and then die.
We have the privilege of an invitation from Mr. "WE GOT DONE" for January the 12th, where we can be assured to be extolled on terms such as "cash and cash equivalents" and "net patient income", and how "critical access hospitals" are untouchable and will continue on forever and ever, amen, and on the virtues of "unsecured" bonds, and why they are secured after all (by Valley County Taxpayers, not the guys who spend THEIR ENTIRE LIVES monitoring credit risks), that Ameritas is a firm with a bunch of swell guys (Did I hear somebody say "never give a sucker an even break"?) who are nothing like AIG, or those other REALLY BIG financial corps that JUST WENT BELLY UP....
So, how long is it going to take the CEOs of REAL hospitals to figure out that the federal critical access hospital program funnels pork barrel monies to out state ambulance stop overs where brick buildings are erected to house a television receiver for the psychiatrist beamed in from Texas? What will the boards of those failing inner city hospitals want to do when they find out their over crowded hospitals are going under,while around the country there exists a template where hospital bonds are passed on the budget busting belief that the great Genie that is Medicare will shovel into the county the equivalent of the entire County budget for the next 25 years!!
The County Supervisors are off on their Charge of the Light Brigade, following Mr. "WE GOT DONE" into a cannonade of debt, ignoring all national AND REGIONAL warning signs - determined to erect what will be the last improvement in Valley County for the next 50 years, even if TWENTY farmers donate $25,000 EVERY YEAR to the county...
As I read the response that dim shared with us and researched the sites that were in his enlightening repertoire, I am totally sickened by our County Government and those that have sold their souls to be in the "in crowd"
Our city and county government have sold out and left us (the residents)holding the bag. But of course made sure their pockets and the pockets of their friends were filled.
The biggest sad spot, is that these people scared our older citizens in to voting for this hospital by telling them if they didn't they wouldn't have health care. Well if you were one of those telling this tale, you should go to jail for lying.
What we do need is for our money to be spent on the school and education. Our children are more important than a building on the hill, that doesn't even treat everyone. I was in the clinic on the hill one afternoon when a person was turned away because they couldn't pay their past bill, so they couldn't get medical care. Well fellas, you are a non-profit and you are to provide charitable care!!! I will bet that a new building won't provide any more care than they are now.
Now that we have voted and started to build the "nightmare" on the hill, (believe me, there is plenty of voter remorse going on, we were led to believe things that were not true) there is NO WAY IN THIS WORLD THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN RECEIVE THE KIND OF EDUCATION AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY DESERVE BECAUSE OF THE LIES WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE.
It make me sick to think I even played a small part in this fiasco, by voting.
So, MR WE GOT DONE, yes you did, and I hope he continues to payfor it, Kind of the scenario, of "what goes around, comes around", hopefully they will get their due......
Well it's a good thing the hospital staff isn't responsible for teaching English in our community! Just love that we have such accomplished folks running that ship. You know the "We Got Done" crew is so special I can hardly contain my laughter. So I guess they are good for something.
Now back to the other doings of the other special crew of people that are always thinking and doing for the "good of the community".
Remember how we needed that new baseball field a short while back. There were no other sites that would be acceptable to the special people in discussions of where a new field should be. It had to be in the Rolling Hills area in order to be acceptable. You know that right after Don Blaha got his property designated as a "walking park" the need for that baseball park just disappeared. Imagine that! So poor old Don got $11,000 per acre of tax relief given to his benefit. I know you all have been over there walking and enjoying that new and needed park haven't you? After all it was for the good of the community wasn't it?
Kinda like who got to be the landscaper for the walking path by the pond. Guess who got that job and guess who did not plant as many plants as was specified. Did anyone get dinged for that? Check it out.
What attorney agreed to do a job for the city for a set amount and then charged more and had to have his big boss go with him to the city council meeting to make sure he got it. How did the city council handle this? Did they just cave in and give it to him? Yes. What attorney said at the city council meeting "we're not going to talk about this stinky stuff". Well I guess if the boss hog talks the city council just says yes sir. All for the good of the community though right?
Are you all enjoying getting screwed? Do you care about right and wrong?
INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT VS. OPINIONS OF OTHERS.
Acting on what others think rather than one's own thinking not only undermines integrity and judgement, but diminishes self-esteem. That, in turn, gradually represses the best qualities within a person.
In a free or semi-free society,everyone has the basic choice of acting on the basis of what other people think, do, or say. In a totlitarian society, however, no such choice exists. The authorities terrorize everyone by coercion, force, and threats into acting on the basis of what some "authority" thinks or wishes. By preventing people from acting on their own judgements, totalitarian governments deprive individuals of their natural survival mechanisms by undermining the independent use of their minds. Being unwilling or unable to act on one's own judgement, the individual is contollable by others --by the whims, wishes, and demands of the cheating "authorities."
ocabala
Here it is from the AP itself:
"A bad situation could become dramatically worse," Obama said, painting a dire picture — including double-digit unemployment and $1 trillion in lost economic activity — that recalled the days of the Great Depression in the 1930s.
Consumers and companies are folding under the negative forces of ... the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. The recession, which started in December 2007, already is the longest in a quarter-century....A day after the release of a stunning new estimate — that the federal budget deficit will reach an unprecedented $1.2 trillion this year, nearly three times last year's record....to answer their concerns, he promised to allow funding only for what works. He also pledged a new level of transparency about where the money is going. A day earlier, he promised to tackle the out-of-control fiscal problem posed by Social Security and Medicare entitlement programs and named a special watchdog to clamp down on all federal programs."
So far this past month we have seen 60% of hospitals shutting down expansions, the spokesman for the federal Office of Budget and Management stating that Medicare cost cutting can only involve cuts to hospitals, and now Obama targeting Medicare as out of control, and warning that the Medicare gravy train is over.
What kind of people would ignore these warnings and proceed with a lock in of debt expansion that will put every one in the county at risk?
I am relatively new to this area, and I am shocked by the things I am reading on this blog. I am very thankful for the information. I have checked around about some of the comments from just people I come in contact with at the coffee shop, post office, grocery store, etc. and everything has been confirmed.
Why doesn't the law step in and protect it residents from these "rats".
I can't believe these people would be above the law. My nephew said to report this behavior to the State Patrol.
I did go the(hospital run) local clinic and I had to wait for over an hour and I was the only one in the waiting room. So the next time I went to the other clinic, I waited 2 hours, but at least there people in the waiting room (it was full) so I kind of understood that wait.
I can't believe there is only 2 medical clinics in town. I was in the hospital for lab tests, I see nothing wrong with the present hospital. It looked like I was the only one there, pretty quiet. I am concerned about this new plan with everything I read and hear in the news. I would sincerely hope that there is someone to oversee these decisions. Maybe someone from the outside should be hired.
I heard the funeral director is president of the hospital board. Isn't that a conflict of interest?
I guess it worries me.
Well anyway, the next time I probably will go out of town.
I have noticed that this is quite a "groupie" town and not real friendly. We have attended several churches with the same response.
Just for all of your information, I did call Medicare and asked them about this situation, and they did say they are not in the business of building buildings. Someone in the know, might want to check on this. Thats about all they would tell me.
All for now, our decision on whether to stay in this community is still pending.
scumbuster,
As a fellow newcomer to Ord, I feel your pain. My experience regarding the cliques in this town has been much the same as yours. The biggest problem I have found is that there seems to be a line drawn in the sand over every little (and big) issue in this town. The hospital, the school, the economic development office; just wait for the line to be drawn and then pick your side. When this happens, small towns lose some of what makes them a great place to be. Small towns are supposed to be a place where you don't have enemies, only neighbors. But the constant infighting disrupts this sense of community. Look back through the viral vent. Early on you had people mocking the losing candidates in the school board election. That's not right. They had every right to run for office, just like every other citizen of our community. They lost. It happens. Congratulate the winners, thank the losers for a good fight, and move forward.
As a person who works with the public in Ord, one of the challenging issues for me is to toe the line, and try to stay as neutral as possible on the issues. The political culture of this town can turn you into an outcast if people determine you are standing on the wrong side of the line. Its a challenge I face every day when I go to work.
don't you know the only neutral person is a dead person.
in the community of Ord if you don't choose one side then you are definitely on the other. there is no neutral.
learned the hard way
I have heard about the town hall meetings for the hospital groupies to show the building and discuss how much they have done. You know CEO Mr. Got Done!!!
I hope they show some responsiblity, transparency,
stablility and common sense, and announce that they are putting this project on hold until we see what is going to happen with the economy and what the shake up in the medicare arena will be.
The board should be removed if they don't show some accountability.
With VeraSun in bankruptcy, Hamilton's closed, the other businesses that are shakey, there are several, and if things don't go well with VeraSun you will see some farmers in really bad shape
who is going to cover your back.
By the way, checked with some legal sources, and counties can claim bankruptcy. So we might have a legal way out of this hospital fiasco. Because the taxpayers sure can't cover this one......
Duly noted, mythfluffer. Love the name, by the way.
Scumbuster,
Conflict of interest, huh? let's think about that...well...hmmmmm....
in head first, out feet first.....
yep, that might be a conflict of interest...!!!!
Well well the discussion has become one on conflict of interest.
Do you all remember Tom Rikkli a dentist? Well he and his wife got a divorce and his relative acted as his attorney. His wife for 17 years of marriage got a grand whopper of a settlement of $12,000.00. Not even a $1,000 a year. That's because the attorney helped figure the business worth to be less than zero. So that dental business was worth nothing, zip, nadda!! Now that same attorney a few short years later helps his cousin sell his dental business to another dentist in town that he also represented and now the dental business was worth $150,000.00. Man how does one grow a bad business into one of that much worth in such a short time in Ord no less??? Anyway.......................
there is this attorney in town that seems to not know about conflict of interest. You see he represents two different people on the same issue. So who is really going to get the full representation? Look at the above example. Did dentist cousin get the representation or did the other dentist get the representation? This is a real unethical deal if you ask me. But in this town the maffia have no conflict if there is a buck to be made. They care not if it screws one person or the other just so they get their cut from both sides. Do you care? Is this right?
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lol...yeh right....
Through my travels, I have found that very few people seem to be aware of a little piece of news called "domestic troop deployment". Here is just one article.
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Just food for thought.