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Thanks ordff for posting the link. Maybe Ord will learn from Omaha's mistakes.
If you were trying to gain custody of a minor child from an ex-spouse, would you tell that child to stop trying in school? Would you encourage that child to let his/her grades go from Cs and Bs, to Fs in a matter of 4-6 weeks? Would you allow that child to fail three classes, and put his/her high school graduation time in jeopardy? Would you literally sacrifice the child you have suddenly taken an interest in to mess up so badly in school that he/she will end up having to go to school another year; just to satisfy your own egotistical (and apparently devious) desires?
Larry Schrage, CEO of Valley County Health Systems (formally Valley County Hospital) resigns effective immediately, sighting personal reasons. (Ord Quiz, front page)
This is what...number 4 CEO in 8 years, what's the problem here...what's the common denominator here...? Could the problem be with the board of trustees and not the CEO...? Could it be that the CEOs' know they need local community support to make this thing work...they don't have it...and why is this? It's time to change the board of trustees and put in some trustees that want to make this hospital work, and get their own personal issues out of our hospital. Clearly their vision is not panning out very well, maybe it's time they get their arrogant heads out of their collective butts and seek community support instead of jamming their vision down our throats, or in the alternative sell the hospital to get it off the tax rolls.
rock - Last time I checked, the hospital DOES have public support. (Remember that little thing we voted on not too long ago and how it turned out?) Way to make it sound like the boards fault for Schrage resigning for personal reasons. Let me ask you this: if you had to stop trucking for personal reasons (health, family, etc.) would you blame the companies you ran routes for? This, while bad timing and while the hospital is going up, shouldn't be blamed on the board any more than you would blame those companies UNTIL we can honestly say it was the board's fault (and that is a HUGE "If").
Gotta say, justavisitor, I'm curious about your statement. Personal or insight into someone on this site?
Shakes, the hospital bond passed by 108 votes with a MASSIVE Advertising campaign. Zero advertising on the opposing side because they thought it wouldn't pass. Same with the school bond, passed by 100 votes. Thats a pretty slim margin and no matter how you cut it, support for the hospital and the school bonds is at best about 50%. We can rehash until hell freezes over why the Steven' aren't allowed to practice in the hospital but the main reason is the board and former CEO Phil Lowe and the smear campaign he instigated that was backed up by the majority of the current hospital board. Do you really think that Schrage "resigned" and then left town for "personal reasons" on the same day? Just long enough to pack up and haul his butt out of town just in case the truth came out early? Which it will eventually, sometimes you can run but you can't hide. Look at the turnover rate of doctors, nurses and support personel in that institution. Something is wrong up there and it all points back to the leadership of the current board. If you took an honest look at it instead of a knee jerk "Rock is always Wrong" attitude you might have second thoughts. As for Schrage, you don't run that fast unless somebody is after you or you put yourself in harms way by staying.
here I thought that no one wanted to write on the page no more. now action maybe stated so I can keep up with the Ord politic's. Steffan, if he left town that quick, then you are right, something is up. I do beleave the hospital should be sold, I do think it would run much better. However, there would have to be some legal stuff in it so it can't be shut down.
Rock, how you coming with the PMS problem?
justavisitor, what are you talking about, divorce is terrible on kids. BOTH parents are the problem when divorce comes around dealing with kids. My stepson just got custody of his kids. His ex was in jail a couple of times, drunk and disordily, etc. It is really tough to get kids away from the mother, almost impossible. But it can happen. The mother usually has all the cards.
Steffan - Sure you're not having a knee-jerk "Rock is always right" or "the hospital is evil" reaction? We could go back and forth on that all day. My general opinion is that you don't crucify someone until you can PROVE something, but we know that isn't how you operate. To you, proof is only what you and your posse can get people to believe, not what actually goes on. The whole "MASSIVE campaign" you talk about was probably at least 75% geared towards retaliating to the other MASSIVE smear campaign against it. Goes both ways there genius. As far as doctors coming and going, I'm not involved in that, but common sense tells me that some of that would be due to moving on to bigger cities, private practices, higher pay than VCHS can afford etc. You just keep piling every individual situation into a package that serves YOUR purpose without looking further into the details. There is a reason the saying goes "the devil is in the details," not in "sweeping generalizations."
Shakes,
There you go again, trying to have an intelligent, rational discussion with Steffan Baker. You should know by now that it is impossible. The little things like facts, common sense, fair accounting practices with regards to polling results, etc. are things that he simply chooses to ignore. Rumor, innuendo and conspiracy theories are his weapons of choice.
And as for Mr. Brock wanting to take the VCHS off of the tax rolls, I would like to ask him to provide documentation as to just how many Valley County tax dollars have been used for the operation of the hospital over the last twenty or thirty years. If that is too difficult for him to find out, just look at the last year, or this year, or any year. I believe that it is a matter of public record that Valley County budgets a sum total of $20,000 per annum (that's yearly for you Rock!). Not a bad investment in my mind.
Sorry, was indisposed a few days. The situation I speak of involves a local and a former local (who spends a lot of time in the area). No one on this site is involved -- at least I don't think so; I'm not from Ord or the area; I'm just a visitor. But I know the case, and it's easily a real sad situation in that one parent believes money will overcome the law. Thought I'd toss it out as fodder for something other than hospital or school stuff.
If they told the truth "we need your vote not your money" they can keep their jobs and their building.
If they ask for ANY tax dollars that proves they LIED to us and they should be thrown out faster than Schrage blew town and the building should be SOLD to someone who knows how to run a hospital.
VCHS is still stuck in the past thinking that hospitals should own doctors. The new common sense in Nebraska is the other way arround.
Crash,
By "the other way around" do you mean that Doctors should own the hospitals?
Gosh, there would certainly be no opportunity for greed, collusion or nepotism in that kind of a scenario. I'll bet the cost of medical care would plummet. Brilliant.
Ordneb must not have access to the secret 25 year plan for paying off the hospital, otherwise he would not be so confident.
Ordneb can rest comfortably in the knowledge that he lives in the only county in the entire US which has sent out a fund raising letter that includes cross dressing as one method of attracting donors.
The county supervisors demonstrate their tasit agreement on both of these issues by their silence.
Tincan, Sorry I did not get back with you a little sooner...I've been busy, busy, busy. I've been working on the latest of the PMS affair. I am waiting on a response from the owners of the buzzard roost. If they don't answer soon then I will have to post what I know.
Ordneb, Whatever you are doing to make yourself so moronic...it sure is working well for you. Irish one said it best. Here comes a new box of crayons for you, whiny pudd... The VHCS vision is on a downhill slide. The many CEO's over the past 8 years is a bad sign, to include massive turnover of supportive personnel and the lack of new medical personnel. I am saying sell the hospital before it gets on the tax rolls. If you don't think that the present bond is NOT a liability, reflecting massive debt of the county, just wait until it does hit the tax rolls. We will see if this was a good investment or not... Valley County budgets a sum total of $20,000 per annum...against how many millions in a bond???
Neboard,
The good ol boys running the VCHS told us the reason Docs were leaving was because of the Stevens.
They LIED. Higher turnover now than when Stevens were in the hospital.
They told us big profits were just around the corner.
LIED again. VCHS hasn't made enough money to make a fraction of the interest on the bond payment.
The only reason it isn't on the tax rolls allready is because the first two payments are comming out of the bond itself (wish I could get a loan like that, borrow enough money on a car to make the first two payments while I get the paperwork done).
They tell us the answer to the problems is Nancy, uh no Lowe, uh no Kanari, uh no Schrage, uh no (you fill in the blank),uh no not them either.
They LIED again, uh and again, uh and again, uh and again.
Mabe the answer to the problem is get rid of the good ol boys, sell the building to someone who has proven they can run a hospital (not into the ground) and get it out of local politics once and for all.
By the way, can you fill me in on the REAL reason Schrage was fired... oops I mean "resigned" ??????
Crash and Rock,
Thank you for staying on subject and your direct response to the question.
Thank you for offering intelligent solutions to the situation.
Thank you for the mature and civilized response.
With that, I think this topic is closed.
The topic is closed with ordneb, but not with the entire county.
Ordneb can stick his head in the sand all he wants, where he can be mature, intelligent, and civilized.
Credit to Ordneb, he did not jump on my intentional spelling error. I underestimated him.
the hospital has not taken tax dollars over the past 20 years because there was no bond.
The hospital will soon take tax dollars to pay for the building.
The 25 year payout plan for the bond will give the answers.
Ordneb has closed the topic because he is caught.
If there is no 25 year payout plan, we are all in deep trouble.
If there is a 25 year pay out plan, why is it not public?
Which county supervisor has seen and studied the 25 year payout plan?
I am looking for ONE county supervisor to come forward with information.
ONE supervisor to say either:
YES - there is a plan
NO - I made a mistake. We should have asked for a 25 year plan.
ONE supervisor.
Neboard,
You're welcome. The subject was VCHS Bond, missmanagement (Which I predict we will see more of),and solutions to the situation (unload the good ol boys and sell the mess)
Don't get upset because I won't go down your rabbit trail.
You're welcome for recognizing an intelligent solution when it's presented (and I almost gave up on your ability to see through the VCHS propaganda....silly me).
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